Comparison tests Porsche 918 vs McLaren P1 vs LaFerrari

[hoffmeister_fan]

Porsche 918 vs McLaren P1 vs LaFerrari

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LaFerrari vs McLaren P1 vs Porsche 918

(courtesy of @Mafalda for bringing this to our attention in the LaFer thread)

Maybe I am jumping the gun a bit, the folks over at TG Magazine have been able to gather 3 of the most epic cars of our time.

Now according to our esteemed forum member, @tristatez28lt1, we will not get an instrumented test, but rather the authors' impression. If this turns out to be the case, I'd be lying if I said I am wee disappointed, but it's at least a step in the right direction in getting these behemoths together.

 

[Rolf]

Wow great stuff! Would have been nice to see a full blown performance measured test but to have these 3 together and see them go head or head with a verdict is fantastic

 

[Mark ANTAR]

Hey guys I've been thinking, does anyone on here own a P1 or does anyone know someone that has one? If so, could we get them to weight theirs and see what the actual weight of it is and if it's really lower than a laferrari. Because if it is, then it may just actually be able to make up for it's power disadvantage with a lower weight around a track and actually be able to lap a better time than the laferrari. Then we might be able to figure out if that's the reason why ferrari won't let anyone do a comparison between the laferrari, the P1, and the 918, because they know that they have a weight disadvantage which could cost them a couple tenths (and bragging rights) around a course and would probably really embarrass them in the auto community considering the porsche beats the P1 and the P1 beats them (both with less power and the porsche with more weight). So someone could somehow find out the P1's true weight, we could probably use it to come up with a close estimate on how well it would do against the ferrari around, let's say, the top gear track since it has the most lap times and info about it for estimating times.

Some 918 owners have reported a few months back that Pagani weighed the P1 at 1,575kg, with fluids, half a tank and a 70kg driver.

 

[kingjr9000]

Some 918 owners have reported a few months back that Pagani weighed the P1 at 1,575kg, with fluids, half a tank and a 70kg driver.

Thanks Mark.

 

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[Rolf]

Some 918 owners have reported a few months back that Pagani weighed the P1 at 1,575kg, with fluids, half a tank and a 70kg driver.

Very interesting!! So then it will be about 100kg lighter than the 918 and not 200kg as per claimed figures? Did MT and Autocar measure the weight of the P1?

 

[kingjr9000]

Very interesting!! So then it will be about 100kg lighter than the 918 and not 200kg as per claimed figures?

Oh, what's a couple hundred kilograms between friends, right?

 

[Rolf]

Oh, what's a couple hundred kilograms between friends, right?

Yes they can pack some extra beers in their small boots to equalize the weight!!

 

[kingjr9000]

Honestly though, I do truly think that the P1 is an amazing car despite what the test results say. But next time I hope that Mac won't go in to the fray overconfident and underestimate Porsche because of their weight and that also goes to the big journalists too. It would have been nice to see the P1 and Mac get the credit they deserve for making the P1 with what and how they made it and that is: by being a small company and taking an existing car's chassis and design and turning it into a car that is a beast and can be compared to the top dogs. That speaks volumes about their engineering abilities and what they can do in the coming years and what could be the next decade hypercars.

 

[Rolf]

The P1 is a brilliant achievement from McLaren certainly amazing from a company that are much smaller than both Ferrari and Porsche. I do like it alot as it is one heck of a machine on the track and road and the design and engineering that has gone into this car is amazing.

 

[Apolo1]

Thanks Mark.

My understanding is that this did not include the driver....

 

[Emu]

Some inside info:

TopGear will air the 918 segment mid November because Ferrari is not allowing any testing of the LaFerrari. Reason is that the LaFerrari weighs 1,675kg!!! A LaFerrari owner weighed his car (can't disclose the name) and was shocked at how much it weighed. Basically Ferrari has a test embargo for all LaFerrari testing.

Porsche calculated that the 918 is about 0.8 sec faster on the top gear track than LaFerrari. The 918 also set the record for the top gear track and small Le Mans track.

I can believe that. When you look at the first video it takes about 11s from 124mph to 186mph (200-300kph). Now even with a passenger, that is miles away from the 15.0s 0-300kph claim. On the second video it isn't noticeably faster than the P1. At 0:11s the LaF is at 57kph and the P1 is at 53kph at 0:16 the LaF is at 201kph and the P1 at 205kph.

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[Emu]

Not much in it here either.

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[Emu]

Some 918 owners have reported a few months back that Pagani weighed the P1 at 1,575kg, with fluids, half a tank and a 70kg driver.

Interesting, so I guess that's about 1545kg with no driver and a full tank, throwing in 5kg for clothes and boots. Has anyone weighed a 918?

 

[Rainer271]

Welcome to GCF @Emu.

 

[Apolo1]

Think you will find its 1575KG plus the driver. Has any test been able to match the factory claim of 0-300kph 16.4/8? for the P1.

 

[Emu]

Motortrend measured 9.8@149mph for the quarter, which is ball park with the factory 9.8@152mph claim.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests..._i_set_the_motor_trend_production_car_record/

Autocar measured 0-200mph at 'a shade' over 20s (last page, 2nd para), which I guess is consistent with the factory 16.5s 0-300kph claim.

*Not sure about the rules of posting mag articles online here, so if there's a problem, no bother.

http://cars.mclaren.com/home/models_link/McLAREN P1/specification.html

 

[Apolo1]

so the 0-300kph in 16.4? remains with the under 7 min ring time., ie a myth

 

[Emu]

I think it's ball park. 20s to 200mph is an average of 10mph per second and the last 10-20mph will obviously take twice as long, so 20s minus 3s isn't far out on the factory claim for 0-300kph in 16.5s with the slightly slower quarter time (10.2@148mph).

 

[Apolo1]

The Motortrend test you quote, was for an XP, not a production car,? also think you will find that the Autocar figs to 200mph, work back to a 0-300kph, in the late 18s,? which is about right, the fact I find most interesting is that despite all the claims made in the vid below, the P1 is yet to go round any track faster than a 918...

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