Sunny
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Why delete the detailed response? That was good. You should have left it up.
50k seems pretty low though given MB's stated target for EQS is 50k/year.
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50k seems pretty low though given MB's stated target for EQS is 50k/year.
If we see the statistical sales of what would be the 4 GC, they oscillate in the 50,000 units + 25,000 coupes + 25,000 cabrios, for which we must take into account that it is still a niche and that it will share the market with its own brother the ICE 4GC, in this context it is striking that the brand aims to sell + - 40,000 units of the i4 in the first full year, so I think they estimate an increase in market share due to the EV thing.
In short, I think and hope that this number will be even higher, between 50 and 60 first and second years, but I would not be surprised if it reaches 100,000, the really big sales will be reserved for the 3 series EV neue klasse
*My estimate may be low, but as I was saying, I base it more than anything on what is niche, perhaps until the 3 series EV appears, sales of the i4 reach 100,000
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If we see the statistical sales of what would be the 4 GC, they oscillate in the 50,000 units + 25,000 coupes + 25,000 cabrios, for which we must take into account that it is still a niche and that it will share the market with its own brother the ICE 4GC, in this context it is striking that the brand aims to sell + - 40,000 units of the i4 in the first full year, so I think they estimate an increase in market share due to the EV thing.
In short, I think and hope that this number will be even higher, between 50 and 60 first and second years, but I would not be surprised if it reaches 100,000, the really big sales will be reserved for the 3 series EV neue klasse
*My estimate may be low, but as I was saying, I base it more than anything on what is niche, perhaps until the 3 series EV appears, sales of the i4 reach 100,000
Very good sales of the 4 series almost tying with the 3 series.BMW US Q1 22
The i4 is not broken down or was not put up for sale yet?
The iX3 is not broken down either, I guess it is included in all the X3.....
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There is no iX3 sold in US. Apparently BMW dealers/execs thought it was a too much of a dud to try and sell it here.
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Porsche US Q1 22
Interesting bit (that will surely rile usual suspects @ GCF) -
Porsche sold 13k cars at $108k ATP in US.
Tesla sold 14k Model S/X (which now starts at 100k and have no govt discount (unlike $7500 for Taycans), and most of them are Plaid which starts at 136k). Which means "non-premium" Tesla sold more $100+ k cars than Porsche in US. Also probably holds true vs other German brands.
Interesting bit (that will surely rile usual suspects @ GCF) -
Porsche sold 13k cars at $108k ATP in US.
Tesla sold 14k Model S/X (which now starts at 100k and have no govt discount (unlike $7500 for Taycans), and most of them are Plaid which starts at 136k). Which means "non-premium" Tesla sold more $100+ k cars than Porsche in US. Also probably holds true vs other German brands.
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Those Cayenne numbers look bad. And I assume they include the coupe as well.
Holy shit, that's amazing...
... the plucky little British icon of nostalgia and flag-shaggers that every BMW fan loves to hate, and only Autocar could truly love... is holding off the two challengers from the Martian Despot-in-chief himself so far this year!
Seriously though... these figures are pretty shocking. 50,054 units across the top ten versus March Pre-pandemic (2019) top ten sales of 103,581, the Model Y wouldn't have even made the top 10 before all this **** kicked off.. and even 2019 was some way off the best years in the past decade. For context March 2017...
.. maybe this is why the electric bike I wanted to buy has gone up by £1000 and is still out of stock.
Anyway, since @Cashmere only graces us with his presence when he want's to post something positive about Tesla, I'll post the rest of the numbers...
Kia absolutely killing it at the moment, VW Group still outrunning Hyundai-Kia.
Sunny
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UK Sales for March
Also Tesla has opened 30 new supercharger bays in the last 2 weeks. Total UK Superchargers are expected to double in the next 24 months.
Comparatively, below is the map of the Ionity charging network
Even more remarkable is at this rate, BEVs will cross 50% before end of 2024.
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That should give them a useful edge..
Tesla..
An oil company ...
Why are you posting stupid shit? You are really not this dumb, so why act the part? It is pretty obvious what @Cashmere's point was about chargers. Or do you just involuntarily lose your composure and lash out every time he posts something?
Clearly, for context and balance.
Why do you consider a map of Tesla chargers that appears favourable against Ionity as "Informative", but yet think a map of Tesla chargers against BP chargers to be stupid shit... or that I'm dumb for doing posting it?
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Ha, you have a very funny definition of "context and balance" then -
Did you look into how fast do they charge? How many chargers are actually there at a station? How many of them actually work?
Instead you thought you could just post a random pic of random chargers with no source or link to deliberately distort things just to try make @Cashmere look bad. I think he really got inside your head.
What I found about BP chargers (from what I am guessing was Matski's source - https://www.zap-map.com/live/) -
Most are useless 3 kw or 7kw chargers, some 50kw ones. I couldn't find even one fast charger (150+ kw). Most seem to have just 1 or 2 stations. And quite a few doesn't even seem to be working.
Few random ones I clicked -
Mind you, BP claims handful of actual fast chargers (150kw) on their website. Not anywhere close to the pic Matski posted. Even their, they have 1 or 2 chargers per station and I don't know how many actually works.
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